Last modified: 2011-12-09 14:41:33 UTC
The CentralNotice functionality was never designed (or agreed to) for general use - instead, it was meant as a Foundation-use-only occasional system. Of late it is extensively over-used to the detriment of our readers, our community, and thus the functioning of our projects. I would suggest that this high-powered and ideally seldom-used extension should be retargetted into a wiki that is designed to represent the community at large and has an appropriate feedback mechanism for the rest of the community, unlike metawiki.
Adding Robla to get some idea of who should be involved in this decision.
So you want to move CentralNotice from a wiki where project-wide discussions take place and where anyone can edit to a wiki where editing is restricted? What is the "appropriate feedback mechanism" that exists on foundationwiki and not at metawiki?
WONTFIX. No consensus for this. CentralNotice is a community run project, If you have issues with how it is run, Take it up on meta: or one of the many mailing lists such as Foundation-L. (In reply to comment #0) > be retargetted into a wiki that is designed to represent the community at large > and has an appropriate feedback mechanism for the rest of the community, unlike > metawiki. So you mean move it from a wiki where people can communicate and discuss the banners, to a wiki that normal users cant even register/edit to discuss the changes.
(In reply to comment #3) > WONTFIX. No consensus for this. Was there consensus for CentralNotice to be enabled on Meta-Wiki? If not, is consensus needed to move it to wikimediafoundation.org? I think the underlying issue here is CentralNotice over-use. This is a completely valid concern, but I don't think moving the extension from Meta-Wiki to wikimediafoundation.org will help. Most of the most obnoxious banners are implemented by people who have accounts in both places. As p858snake suggests, what you have here is a social problem, not a technical one.
It's also worth pointing out that Centralnotice was never intended to be a community managed tool, in contrast to what p585snake asserts. Sitenotice, Watchlist notice, sure. But Centralnotice was originally intended for fundraising banners. While I agree with broadening its purview somewhat, it has (without doubt) been abused. pb
This change would still require community consensus now,nonetheless. It has been in use by the community for an year, I do agree with Philippe and MZ about concerns related to over-use and there does need to be some formalized process for approval on Meta itself, but moving it to foundation wiki would remove all the control community has for complete staff-control.
I reject that premise. Community members have accounts there. Certainly if a balance were required, we could get more.
(In reply to comment #7) > I reject that premise. Community members have accounts there. Certainly if a > balance were required, we could get more. I never suggested that community members don't have accounts there. What I did say was, that staff retains majority of the control. Staff members do have the highest rights on that wiki, and control approval for access and removal of accounts. I also don't think it's a smart idea to open up access to more community members there, it still retains majority of the fundraising infrastructure and sensitive, important aspects of the foundation that should remain with limited access.
