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Bug 39377 - "dba3" is only understandable to a small number of people in the English Wikipedia
"dba3" is only understandable to a small number of people in the English Wiki...
Status: NEW
Product: MediaWiki extensions
Classification: Unclassified
PageCuration (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Normal normal (vote)
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
: design
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Reported: 2012-08-15 13:44 UTC by Amir E. Aharoni
Modified: 2013-06-08 19:14 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Description Amir E. Aharoni 2012-08-15 13:44:03 UTC
The qqq documentation for messages 'pagetriage-del-tags-dba3-label' and 'pagetriage-del-tags-dba3-desc' is useful only to a small number of people in the English Wikipedia. "db-a3" is a term used only in the English Wikipedia and only by very experienced patrollers. It cannot be expected that translators to other languages will understand it.
Comment 1 Fabrice Florin 2012-08-16 08:35:03 UTC
Good point.

Could we update the qqq documentation to include the relevant tag descriptions from the 'Add tags' tool? These should be easier to understand and translate than the raw template code.
Comment 2 Amir E. Aharoni 2012-08-16 09:09:04 UTC
First of all, the term "tags" should also be avoided, because it is also a part of the English Wikipedia jargon. It's better to say something like "maintenance templates" or "warning templates". This issue deserves its own bug, actually.

The best and simplest thing is to write what actually happens: Where does this message appear, what will happens if the user will press the associated button, etc.
Comment 3 Siebrand Mazeland 2012-08-22 11:15:22 UTC
Actually, this is not an i18n issue, but a design issue.

Tags and tag grouping should have been implemented as being configurable in the MediaWiki: namespace, and not in default extension messages. This would have prevented the whole list of en.wp templates to be translated into other languages, and would have made the extension more flexible.

If now one more tag is added or changed, a developer is needed to change the extension code, instead of a sysop changing one or two pages in the MediaWiki namespace.
Comment 4 bsitu 2012-08-23 23:05:27 UTC
(In reply to comment #3)
> Actually, this is not an i18n issue, but a design issue.
> 
> Tags and tag grouping should have been implemented as being configurable in the
> MediaWiki: namespace, and not in default extension messages. This would have
> prevented the whole list of en.wp templates to be translated into other
> languages, and would have made the extension more flexible.
> 
> If now one more tag is added or changed, a developer is needed to change the
> extension code, instead of a sysop changing one or two pages in the MediaWiki
> namespace.

I don't think there is a design issue here. 

The tags configuration can be re-defined in MediaWiki:PageTriageExternalTagsOptions.js, which will overwrite whatever the default defined insidethe extension.  That means we can have a sysop add tags and remove tags from a MediaWiki namespace page.
Comment 5 Ryan Kaldari 2012-09-18 23:45:05 UTC
We should probably just mark these messages as optional to translate. On other wikis, the en.wiki default will be overridden by MediaWiki:PageTriageExternalTagsOptions.js as mentioned by Benny.

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