Last modified: 2012-10-21 14:06:18 UTC
Plz, allow bureaucrats to remove admin flag at the Northern Sámi Wikipedia. We voted for them to be right to delete only the admin rettiheter otherwise too bureaucrat rights. There was 100% support (2 votes) it would be right to remove admin rights, but only votes against, it would be right to delete also bureaucrat rights. (I'm using Google Translator, it's easier.) Voting: http://se.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Jienasteamit/Byrokr%C3%A1htaide_vuoigatvuohta_v%C3%A1ldit_eret_vuoigatvuo%C4%91aid#Administr.C3.A1htora_vuoigatvuo.C4.91aid
Hello, Please review the following discussion about your request: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Limits_to_configuration_changes#Disconnection_from_stewards_overseeing There is currently some debate to allow or deny such config change. [ Adding 'shellpolicy' keyword. ]
2 users involved in the discussion? I'm not sure this bug is serious.
Created attachment 11149 [details] Namespace configuration 1. I think it is good idea to send an e-mail ([http://se.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erenoam%C3%A1%C5%A1:S%C3%A1ddeEpoastta/Trondtr]) to User: Trondtr, the second most active user in se.wikipedia. He speaks English much better than me. Northern Sami Wikipedia has no large numbers of users. Look at [http://se.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erenoam%C3%A1%C5%A1:Varas_rievdadusat&limit=5000 Recent changes in se.wikipedia]. It is no oppose. Is it not enough good? 2. What is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Limits_to_configuration_changes#Disconnection_from_stewards_overseeing in a nutshell?
I am sorry, I put a link to my Wiki-related document of very another thing.
Comment on attachment 11149 [details] Namespace configuration Marking obsolete the attachment
(In reply to comment #3) > Created attachment 11149 [details] > Namespace configuration > > 1. I think it is good idea to send an e-mail > ([http://se.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erenoam%C3%A1%C5%A1:S%C3%A1ddeEpoastta/Trondtr]) > to User: Trondtr, the second most active user in se.wikipedia. He speaks > English much better than me. Northern Sami Wikipedia has no large numbers of > users. Look at > [http://se.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erenoam%C3%A1%C5%A1:Varas_rievdadusat&limit=5000 > Recent changes in se.wikipedia]. It is no oppose. Is it not enough good? I sent him a mail. > 2. What is > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Limits_to_configuration_changes#Disconnection_from_stewards_overseeing > in a nutshell? In a nutshell, to revoke admin flag is a big power. We had in the past problems with that. We would like to determine if this is acceptable or not in the future.
Please state the arguments if you want to close this bug. The issue here is whether local bureaucrats can remove admin rights. As Krenair states, there were only two persons voting (I one of them), but this state of affairs is precisely why we want those rights changed. The se wiki has few active contributors, and since we really like to get more, we have been too liberal on handling out admin rights. Now, precisely because we do __not__ want to bother the whole community with these cleanup operations (in essence: removing admin rights for people who just left the project after a short stay), we would like for local bureaucrats to remove admin rights. As is shown in the link above, se wp would not be the first wiki to have it this way. Perhaps other wikis have had problems with letting local bureaucrats removing admin rights, but other situation is rather different: A minority language wiki trying in different ways to gather active writers. So, please let us do that in an efficient way.
The community (here the stewards) want to be bothered with sysop removal. This allows them to feel better, and be sure sysop removals are performed a sane way in a sane environment. In the worst situation, that allows a loose level of control on the wiki and avoid projects to transform themselves into dictatorships (this already happened, and more than once on some wikis). Even for big and thriving communities, there were some reluctance: see for example bug 35258 about fr.wikipedia.
Ok, in that case you will get it :-) In principle, I have no problems in seeing the dangers of dictatorships. So, before we close the bug (which we then should): Could you repeate the procedure: Along what channels do you want to be bothered with such requests?
Well, as a development community member, I'm rather neutral on the question. This is the stewards who are mandated by the community to handle these requests and especially want to deal with the desysop ones. The relevant page is [[meta:Steward requests/Permissions]]. Generally, the procedure is: (1) have a desysop policy as wiki recommendation (e.g. in your case a policy stating a sysop could lost his access after n months of inactivity) (2) apply the policy on the local wiki (e.g. Commons every 6 months have a check process on a dedicated pages ; fr.wikipedia bureaucrats opened a section on their bureaucrats noticeboard) (3) ask the desysop on [[meta:Steward requests/Permissions]] with a link to the relevant page or section at (2). If you have more question on the procedure, you can get help on IRC #wikimedia-stewards or on the permissions talk page.
Can you show me a written __prohibition__ that wikis may not be such a right. Vote was 100% support. User:Gálaniitoluodda, sysop&bureaucrat on se wp
Oops. Sorry, the duplication of the last message was an unintended accident.
Hmm, looking at e.g. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33769 I see that as late as January this year the Bashkir wp got this grant. What were the experiences of that.
