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*** Bug 47583 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Reopening because these two bugs are now duplicates of each other.

Greșelile nu sunt rezolvate am apasat accidental pe

Создание страницы → АгӀо кхоллар.     Translation from Russian to Chechen.

(In reply to comment #0)
> Please rename the following namespaces in the Chechen Wikipedia. 
> Википедийа → Википеди
> Википедийа дийцаре → Википедин дийцаре
> ХӀум → Файл
> ХӀуман дийцаре → Файлан дийцаре
> Куцкеп → Кеп
> Куцкеп дийцаре → Кепан дийцаре
> Кадегар дийцаре → Категорин дийцаре
> ЦӀинацӀ → байт
> Исторе → истори
> Создание страницы → АгӀо кхоллар
>
> Авторитетные источники (словари) (Authoritative sources (dictionaries))↓
> 
> И.Ю. Алироев Чеченско-русский словарь / отв. ред. д-р филол. наук З.Х.
> Хамидова. — М.: Academia, 2005. — 384 с.
> ↑ категори [категории, категорина, категорино, категорига, й; мн. категореш,
> и]
> категория.
> ↑ кеп [кепан, кепана, кепо, кепе, и; мн. кепаш, й] 1) форма, колодка;
> болванка
> (для расправления шапок); кепа тоха а) натянуть на колодку, болванку;
> ↑ маке́т м макет, кеп
> ↑ шабло́н м 1) (образец) кеп, шаблон 2) перен. (штамп) шаблон; рабо́тать по
> ~у
> шаблонца болх бан
> ↑ http://anchr.ru/ Новый сервис Русско-Чеченский словарь от Академии Наук
> (The
> new service Russian-Chechen dictionary of the Academy of Sciences)
> 
> Link to the Chechen Wikipedia
> http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> %D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%8C%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%B0%D0%B3l%D0%BE
> 
> Sincerely Dagirov Umar.

please! do not delay my query, the error is preventing us work normally

(In reply to comment #5)
> (In reply to comment #0)
> > Please rename the following namespaces in the Chechen Wikipedia. 
> > Википедийа → Википеди
> > Википедийа дийцаре → Википедин дийцаре
> > ХӀум → Файл
> > ХӀуман дийцаре → Файлан дийцаре
> > Куцкеп → Кеп
> > Куцкеп дийцаре → Кепан дийцаре
> > Кадегар дийцаре → Категорин дийцаре
> > ЦӀинацӀ → байт
> > Исторе → истори
> > Создание страницы → АгӀо кхоллар
> >Обсуждение модуля → Модулан дийцаре
> >
> > Авторитетные источники (словари) (Authoritative sources (dictionaries))↓
> > 
> > И.Ю. Алироев Чеченско-русский словарь / отв. ред. д-р филол. наук З.Х.
> > Хамидова. — М.: Academia, 2005. — 384 с.
> > ↑ категори [категории, категорина, категорино, категорига, й; мн. категореш,
> > и]
> > категория.
> > ↑ кеп [кепан, кепана, кепо, кепе, и; мн. кепаш, й] 1) форма, колодка;
> > болванка
> > (для расправления шапок); кепа тоха а) натянуть на колодку, болванку;
> > ↑ маке́т м макет, кеп
> > ↑ шабло́н м 1) (образец) кеп, шаблон 2) перен. (штамп) шаблон; рабо́тать по
> > ~у
> > шаблонца болх бан
> > ↑ http://anchr.ru/ Новый сервис Русско-Чеченский словарь от Академии Наук
> > (The
> > new service Russian-Chechen dictionary of the Academy of Sciences)
> > 
> > Link to the Chechen Wikipedia
> > http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > %D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%8C%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%B0%D0%B3l%D0%BE
> > 
> > Sincerely Dagirov Umar.

(In reply to comment #7)
> (In reply to comment #5)
> > (In reply to comment #0)
> > > Please rename the following namespaces in the Chechen Wikipedia. 
> > > Википедийа → Википеди
> > > Википедийа дийцаре → Википедин дийцаре
> > > ХӀум → Файл
> > > ХӀуман дийцаре → Файлан дийцаре
> > > Куцкеп → Кеп
> > > Куцкеп дийцаре → Кепан дийцаре
> > > Кадегар дийцаре → Категорин дийцаре
> > > ЦӀинацӀ → байт
> > > Исторе → истори
> > > Создание страницы → АгӀо кхоллар
> > >Обсуждение модуля → Модулин дийцаре
> > >
> > > Авторитетные источники (словари) (Authoritative sources (dictionaries))↓
> > > 
> > > И.Ю. Алироев Чеченско-русский словарь / отв. ред. д-р филол. наук З.Х.
> > > Хамидова. — М.: Academia, 2005. — 384 с.
> > > ↑ категори [категории, категорина, категорино, категорига, й; мн. категореш,
> > > и]
> > > категория.
> > > ↑ кеп [кепан, кепана, кепо, кепе, и; мн. кепаш, й] 1) форма, колодка;
> > > болванка
> > > (для расправления шапок); кепа тоха а) натянуть на колодку, болванку;
> > > ↑ маке́т м макет, кеп
> > > ↑ шабло́н м 1) (образец) кеп, шаблон 2) перен. (штамп) шаблон; рабо́тать по
> > > ~у
> > > шаблонца болх бан
> > > ↑ http://anchr.ru/ Новый сервис Русско-Чеченский словарь от Академии Наук
> > > (The
> > > new service Russian-Chechen dictionary of the Academy of Sciences)
> > > 
> > > Link to the Chechen Wikipedia
> > > http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/
> > > %D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%8C%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%B0%D0%B3l%D0%BE
> > > 
> > > Sincerely Dagirov Umar.

Hi Umar, please stop adding the same comment again and again. 

For any configuration change, we require a local consensus. Was this matter discussed on the Village pump page of your wiki to confirm that this change is wanted by the community? If so, please paste the link to the discussion here.
For more information about how to request these kinds of changes, please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requesting_wiki_configuration_changes and feel free to forward that link to others who may want similar changes made in the future. Thanks!

In the Chechen Wikitravel small community for everyone to make them work here is the link

http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%B0:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC

We refer to the Chechen authoritative dictionaries. thank you

Hi please tell me what I need to do to get you to fix these errors? or I pridostavil and you have no time to fix it?

Hi please tell me what I need to do to get you to fix these errors? or I'm doing wrong and you have no time to fix it?

This is a huge no-go until proper community consensus can be shown for those changes — please reopen this bug only when such consensus is gathered.

[FYI: There is currently a big, controversial & very emotional debate among the Chechen Wikipedia community about how to write in 'proper' Chechen language (something about grammar, transliteration, influence of Russian, etc — believe me, you don't want to get involved in it.]

I'm ready to do what you ask. We are members of this all discussed and decided to fix all these spaces have come up with the name of a former member of this word is not in the Chechen language Kadegar what's this? a participant who did this thinks that all languages ​​are descended from the Chechen language

http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%B0:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC

What consensus do you want? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Massive_sysop_abuse_in_Chechen_Wikipedia
Read this first. We all have the consensus! Soul Train

http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%B0:%D0%AE%D0%BA%D1%8A%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2
Пространства имён (namespaces)
* Dagirov Umar - native speaker
* Simba16 - native speaker
* Soul Train - me, I am administrator of Lezgi Wikipedia (also Caucasian language) and little bit understand the Chechen language
* Niklem
* Ymblanter - English Wikipedia administrator who wathing for small Wikipedias on languages of Russia for many years
* Also I can say that all authors of Requests for comment/Massive sysop abuse in Chechen Wikipedia on Meta also agree with those changes. Unfortunately, Saint Johann broke his arm and can't write here at the moment. Who's next? Gennerous? I'll ask him to write his opinion, but he is not Chechen descent and opinion of Umar and Simba16 is more important in this case. Дядя Фред? OK, I'll ask him too, but this is the same situation as with user Gennerous.
I hope that I clearly explained the situation.

* Ymblanter - English Wikipedia administrator who _watching_...

If you talk about my message in Ce-WP Forum, so I completely agree with Umar's changes, I just wrote about the mystification examples of previous sysops from whom their permissions were deleted by the Stewards.

UPD
http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B9%D0%B0:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC#.D0.9F.D1.80.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.82.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B2.D0.B0_.D0.B8.D0.BC.D1.91.D0.BD_.28namespaces.29
7 users pro, no oppose.

Community Chechen wikipedia for changing the name of the spaces I hope you do not make us wait long. Sincerely Dagirov Umar.

I'm having trouble understanding what's being requested here.

cewiki has only a limited configuration in our InitialiseSettings.php:

    $wgMetaNamespace => array(
        (...)
        'cewiki' => 'Википедийа',
    ),

    (...)

    $wgNamespaceAliases => array(
        (...)
        '+cewiki' => array( 'Wikipedia' => NS_PROJECT, ),
    ),

    (...)

    $wgExtraNamespaces => array(
        'cewiki' => array(
	      100 => 'Ков',
              101 => 'Ков_дийцаре',
        ),
    ),

I have no idea what the Cyrillic characters mean, but as far as I see, you might want to translate stuff in Translatewiki.net instead of requesting changes here, except for the $wgMetaNamespace and some aliases.

Please provide an English translation for those namespaces so that those of us who cannot read Cyrillic or understand Chechen could help.

[ Changing component into 'Site requests' per above comment, adding 'shell' since there is enough community consensus. ]

«Please provide an English translation for those namespaces so that those of us
who cannot read Cyrillic or understand Chechen could help.»
Use Google-translate. Is it so hard?

Википедийа (Wikipedia) → Википеди
Википедийа дийцаре (Wikipedia talk)→ Википедин дийцаре
ХӀум (file) → Файл
ХӀуман дийцаре (File talk) → Файлан дийцаре
Куцкеп (Template) → Кеп
Куцкеп дийцаре (Template talk) → Кепан дийцаре
Кадегар (Category) → Категори
Кадегар дийцаре (Category talk) → Категорин дийцаре

Википедийа (Wikipedia) → Википеди
Википедийа дийцаре (Wikipedia talk)→ Википедин дийцаре
ХӀум (file) → Файл
ХӀуман дийцаре (File talk) → Файлан дийцаре
Куцкеп (Template) → Кеп
Куцкеп дийцаре (Template talk) → Кепан дийцаре
Кадегар (Category) → Категори
Кадегар дийцаре (Category talk) → Категорин дийцаре

English did.

I see that those are already translated into Chechen[1], but they haven't been deployed yet — unfortunately, this is something that I cannot influence, you just got to wait.

From all the namespaces you mentioned, I can only help with localising 'Wikipedia' and 'Wikipedia_talk', will submit a Gerrit patch in a few minutes' time.

BTW, 

    > Use Google-translate. Is it so hard?

This does not help.

== References ==
* [1] <https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?language=ce&module=namespace&title=Special:AdvancedTranslate>

Related URL: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64501 (Gerrit Change I83a116a3e12ca11b5eb2d4305ce243079dc3ad0b)

I'm also using this opportunity to change $wgSitename for this wiki; it doesn't make too much sense to change $wgMetaNamespace and leave $wgSitename as it was.

Tomasz and other technicians, can you write more humanly? What is wgSitename, wgMetaNamespace, and wgSitename? Do you think that simple users must know all those technical terms? And why can't you just correct erroneous messages?

Hi Oleg,
thanks for the comment and apologies for using such an enigmatic language—I didn't realise it wasn't understandable.

$wgSitename is the MediaWiki variable that defines the name of the site; when you go to https://ce.wikipedia.org, the title of the page (as seen in your browser) is "Коьрта агlо — Википедийа"; my fix will change that into "Коьрта агlо — Википеди". 

$wgMetaNamespace, on the other hand, is the variable that defines the name of the project namespace; on English Wikipedia, for example, it is "Wikipedia" (as in [[Wikipedia:Five pillars]]), and on your Wikipedia it's currently "Википедийа" — and my patch will change that into "Википеди". As you see, $wgSiteName and $wgMetaNamespace are similar most of the time, that's why I think it'd be better to use the opportunity to change both.

As for the other namespaces (File:, Template:, and Category:), they are defined by the MediaWiki software itself, and are not localised by us (Wikimedia community) — this way, non-Wikimedia projects can benefit from our work. Unfortunately, this approach — translating namespace names on Translatewiki.net — means that all translations have to be deployed by Translatewiki staff, which takes some time.

My Gerrit change #64501 will be visible on-line the moment it's approved and merged into our git repository (you'll be able to link to the new Wikipedia namespace using [[Википеди:XYZ]]), but the other changes will only follow in a couple of days/weeks.

Sorry if you do not znes is where I have to ask them to fix errors on translatewiki.net I changed everything. The issue here is whether or not I was denied? I wait for the correction of errors?

As I said, it's not a matter of your edits being denied or not — it's just that with so many languages and projects, getting your translations on-line takes some time. 

I'm not a specialist in Translatewiki.net procedures, so you might want to ask Siebrand <https://translatewiki.net/wiki/User_talk:Siebrand> or Niklas <https://translatewiki.net/wiki/User_talk:Nike> for details.

Thank you. Hopefully we'll wait for correction of errors. Sincerely Dagirov Umar.

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/64501 (Gerrit Change I83a116a3e12ca11b5eb2d4305ce243079dc3ad0b) | change APPROVED and MERGED [by jenkins-bot]

From my point of view, this bug is now fixed. The 'Wikipedia' namespace changes are now on-line — you just have to wait until the Translatewiki.net changes are deployed.

Sorry. translatewiki.net site updated but did not кадегар категори of

«кадегар» didn't changed to «категори».

changed only википедийа on википедийа all

изменилась википедийа на википеди все

http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sp-translate-data-Namespaces

 Umar 2013-05-18 17:06:54 UTC

Википедийа (Wikipedia) → Википеди
Википедийа дийцаре (Wikipedia talk)→ Википедин дийцаре
ХӀум (file) → Файл
ХӀуман дийцаре (File talk) → Файлан дийцаре
Куцкеп (Template) → Кеп
Куцкеп дийцаре (Template talk) → Кепан дийцаре
Кадегар (Category) → Категори
Кадегар дийцаре (Category talk) → Категорин дийцаре

You are aware that every time you post things to this bug, seven people are getting e–mails? What is that you want to achieve by adding comments here? 

As I already wrote in comment 38, from my point of view this bug is fixed (hence the resolution) — you now need to wait for the translations from Translatewiki.net to be deployed, which posting comments here will not influence.

It is clear

translatewiki.net site updated but the name of the spaces have not changed.

Comment 45 said: "you now need to wait for the translations from Translatewiki.net to be ***deployed*** (emphasis by me), which posting comments here will not influence."
Hence updates on translatewiki.net site are unrelated. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.22/Roadmap is probably what you are after.

Dear Sirs, I is not funny


http://ce.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%99%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BA%D1%85%D0%B0-%D0%AD%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0&diff=93368&oldid=93324


http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5l%D1%83%D0%BC:Chaplin2.jpg

Umar: If you have a *specific* issue after reading the previous comments and explanations how things work, then please explain it here properly.
Don't add useless "I is not funny" comments that don't explain anything.
Bugzilla is not a forum and you have been warned. Thanks.

I would like to know the errors are not corrected for technical reasons, or who just do not do it and how much time you have to wait? I hope not months. thank you.

Explained already in comment 48. See the link posted there for deployment schedule. If some sentence is unclear, please name the exact sentence and why.

According to the schedule pointed to in comment 48, the last full deployment was made three days ago.

Comment #29 seems to indicate that the updates were made on TWN 3 weeks ago.  My understanding is that changes accepted 3 weeks ago in TWN should have been deployed by now.

What am I missing?

(In reply to comment #53)

> What am I missing?

I have /no idea/ myself, so I'm going to CC Siebrand and Niklas instead.

See https://translatewiki.net/wiki/FAQ#Special:AdvancedTranslate as Nemo told me on IRC.

Where is the administrator?

The what?

Who renames space? You know how much time has passed since I gave zpros. I do not know how to wait for one to turn where you can ask for help. Where is the main site?

(In reply to comment #58)
> Who renames space?

I think any user with shell privileges could do this.  This usually means people in #wikimedia-operations on IRC.

> You know how much time has passed since I gave zpros.

Do not be too surprised.  Wikimedia is always trying to improve, but they, like many NGOs, are under-staffed and under-funded for these sorts of things.

> I do
> not know how to wait for one to turn where you can ask for help. Where is the
> main site?

Main site for what?  Wikipedia problem requests?  This is it.

(In reply to comment #59)

> I think any user with shell privileges could do this.  This usually means
> people in #wikimedia-operations on IRC.

Technically, probably, but practically, these messages are updated by Translatewiki.net staff. We're still waiting for them to update the relevant files.

My understanding is that twn will only be able to modify languages/messages/MessagesCe.php.  Could you examine this file and see if that file is the right place to modify these settings?  https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/cf86c74e2ad2e6ffc575056df180028e40c768cd/languages%2Fmessages%2FMessagesCe.php

InitializeSettings.php appears to already reflect the requests made in this bug: https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/operations%2Fmediawiki-config.git/9b7a5096ca2ce316b6c8a6f3ef8014352d782774/wmf-config%2FInitialiseSettings.php

	NS_MEDIA            => 'Медиа',
	NS_SPECIAL          => 'Белхан',
	NS_TALK             => 'Дийцаре',
	NS_USER             => 'Декъашхо',
	NS_USER_TALK        => 'Декъашхон_дийцаре',
	NS_PROJECT_TALK     => '{{GRAMMAR:genitive|$1}}_дийцаре',
	NS_FILE             => 'Файл',
	NS_FILE_TALK        => 'Файлан_дийцаре',
	NS_MEDIAWIKI        => 'МедиаВики',
	NS_MEDIAWIKI_TALK   => 'МедиаВики_дийцаре',
	NS_TEMPLATE         => 'Кеп',
	NS_TEMPLATE_TALK    => 'Кепан_дийцаре',
	NS_HELP             => 'ГӀо',
	NS_HELP_TALK        => 'ГӀо_дийцаре',
	NS_CATEGORY         => 'Категори',
	NS_CATEGORY_TALK    => 'Категорин_дийцаре',


It must be so

I'm just going to ignore this bug from now on.

Umar is a kind of persistent man :-), this is true. But problem is in Wikimedia Foundation's bureaucracy - some changes you must fixing here, some there and finally nothing changes for months. Many rules in many projects, rules that only understand few people. For example, I also asked to change namespaces in bxr.wikipedia, all of them already translated by proffesional Buryat linguists in 2011. But what I see? I see the answer: find the editors for Translatewiki, they'll translate system messages and only after that we'll change the Namespaces. For what? Why is this system so hard and incomprehensible?

@Siebrand, Niklas: getting these changes deployed is taking ridiculously long. (Just sayin'.)

They are committed [1] and on a schedule to be deployed in the following 7 days or so.

We are trying our best to do the many things we have on our plate. We have to give lower priority to some things. If that is too slow, I am sorry. Perhaps if we had more people helping with administrative things at translatewiki.net, then we could have more time to do namespace exports more often and/or improve the exporting process to make it less time consuming.

[1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/70176/2/languages/messages/MessagesCe.php

(In reply to comment #66)
> They are committed [1] 

Marking fixed. This bug is in Site requests, so supposedly there may be something else to do among the 66 confusing comments so far; open a new bug in a week or so if there's something else to do.

This is not how things work round here: bugs are marked as RESOLVED FIXED (or sometimes VERIFIED FIXED) when the changes are deployed on the live wiki.

RESOLVED FIXED means that a fix has been committed and merged into the codebase. It is unrelated to deployment of the code change on Wikimedia servers.

Hi. It seems to me that the files are updated.

https://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/2cd890a3a86c785d48d66661bd6e8e91dd3151b5/languages%2Fmessages%2FMessagesCe.php

Yes they are in 1.22wmf9 branch. I said originally 7 days of so, but I was not aware then that this week is skipped in deployments due to holidays, so 7 or more days still.

Thanks for the reply. Regards Umar.

Thank you all fixed. But was not it translated title at our Russian Обсуждение модуля: → Модулин дийцаре: so will the Chechen. http://ce.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8F:Wikibase&action=edit&redlink=1 or else you can translate it?.

Would you please clarify what you mean?

Name (namespaces) corrected.

Обсуждение модуля: → Модулин дийцаре:

Обсуждение модуля Russian on this and I asked how to translate this word I'm not sure that this space. I hope I understood correctly.

Module talk → Модулин дийцаре so will the Chechen)  Обсуждение модуля This by Russian. I need to moved to a new request?

(In reply to comment #76)
> I need to moved to a new request?

Yes, please.

Here's a new request. Thank you.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51206