Last modified: 2013-06-10 08:53:57 UTC
*In sysop's regular page deletion activity: At drop down menu of page to be deleted sysop selects delete >> A confirmation screen apears >> Sysop clicks 'Delete' Button >> Page gets deleted. *By ommission if any edit filter having active Warning message does not exclude sysops in user group (usually Autoconfirmed users in user group), and matches a page being deleted by sysop then it creats a situation that a sysop deletion activity gets unexpectedly partially blocked.The process happens some thing like following ::*At drop down menu of page to be deleted sysop selects delete >> A confirmation screen apears >> Sysop clicks 'Delete' Button >> Deletion activity gets partialy blocked>>Media wiki message "Cannot delete page "$1" " page apears via MediaWiki:Cannotdelete-title (This block can be unexpected to unsuspecting sysop) >> This block is partial and a not real one because actually if you press back button at the browser and again click delete the page gets successfully deleted.(Probablly this happens because a warning message stops you temporarily and when you click action (save or delete) it executes asked action. ::Is this a problem ?Although not a serious one, still yes it is important problem. we have more than 700 wiki's under wikimedia umbrella and all filter managers and sysops may not be aware of this glitch.And can cause confusion and mis-understanding. ::Why wikis usually do not complain about this,most of the filters exclude sysop group indirectly by excluding usually Autoconfirmed users in user group.But it is preferable to fix it as informed in above point. ::Is there a way we can avoid this ? When sysop has already selected action delete,then Edit filter should avoid trigerring of the warning message. ::Temporary solution is updating 'MediaWiki:Cannotdelete-title' message a separate bug will be filed soon for the same purpose. ::are there any associated issues yes two of them ::Associated issue 1: Associated Media wiki message "Cannot delete page "$1" " is misleading and can be improved upon a separate bug will be soon filed for the same ::Associated(?) issue 2:: Technical simmilarity to bug no 45195 :Along with the 'MediaWiki:Cannotdelete-title' message the related warning message also is seen.Only at this instance related warning media message does not show internal wikilinks and behaves as in bug 45195.
Created attachment 12501 [details] The unexpected message apearing to unsuspecting sysop The unexpected message apearing to unsuspecting sysop
Comment on attachment 12501 [details] The unexpected message apearing to unsuspecting sysop Media wiki message "Cannot delete page "$1" " page apears via MediaWiki:Cannotdelete-title (This block can be unexpected to unsuspecting sysop)
*** Bug 49356 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Associated issue 1: Since bug no 49356 is cancelled being duplicate of this bug request in that bug is transfered here as below: Message " Cannot delete page "$1" " by " MediaWiki:Cannotdelete-title " misleads sysops in certain specific situation. *Please update it as below: "Unable delete page "$1" an edit filter's triggered warning message has blocked deletion process untill you press back on your browser and repeat/click delete action again.Afterwards you consider for edit filter no. "x" for excluding Sysops in user group by inclusion of syntax: & !("sysop" in user_groups) "
You set up a filter that filters deletion for that page, so I don't understand what you would expect. [[mr:Special:AbuseFilter/101]] [[mr:Special:AbuseLog/34951]] The notes in the filter contain the conditions you have to add so that this doesn't happen, why didn't you use them? The only possible bug I see here is: were you shown the warning you set up for the filter, or not?
Mr-edit filter 101 is still in its very early stage of being written and currently is being tested for checking apearance of warning messages.You might have seen is disabled after certain number of tests. >>why didn't you use them?<< Being a sysop I can not experience warning message myself;How warning message apears to others,I wanted to experience and confirm to myself before it reaches larger audience- so the condition was excluded with a purpose. >>You set up a filter that filters deletion for that page<< No, filter being written is not for deletion for a particular page.(When completed it will be a filter for specific group of pages to adress certain different specific situation and that is not relevant for this bug). What you saw is deletion of a test page/sand box page for realtime experince in main namespace.I first attempted to delete the test page so I had completed work on the test page.That made me remember this bug we experinced a year back and created some confusion and misunderstanding then which was later cleared. I did not file the bug then itself because that time I was new with Edit filters, but bug was at back of mind.Today I remembered with this instance.Since I decided to file the bug so I tested it more times for the situation that includes deletion.Since I tried to delete it multiple times you thought it has relation to deletion.Thats how this bug has potential of creating confusion and misunderstanding.
(In reply to comment #5) > You set up a filter that filters deletion for that page, so I don't > understand > what you would expect. [[mr:Special:AbuseFilter/101]] > [[mr:Special:AbuseLog/34951]] > The notes in the filter contain the conditions you have to add so that this > doesn't happen, why didn't you use them? > > The only possible bug I see here is: were you shown the warning you set up > for > the filter, or not? >>The only possible bug I see here is: were you shown the warning you set up for the filter, or not? << Sorry , along with the warning I see one more unxpected message "Media wiki message "Cannot delete page "$1" for the given situation.And that is a bug. Best thing is you recreate a situation given in bug report. Regards
(In reply to comment #6) > >>You set up a filter that filters deletion for that page<< > > No, filter being written is not for deletion [...] It currently is. If you don't want deletion to be filtered, add: & (action == "edit")
(In reply to comment #8) > (In reply to comment #6) > > >>You set up a filter that filters deletion for that page<< > > > > No, filter being written is not for deletion [...] > > It currently is. If you don't want deletion to be filtered, add: & (action == > "edit") :Sorry, I took more time to understand the hitch.So what I reported as a main bug is not a bug.To avoid the goof-up by others in future can we still update concerned MediaWiki message " MediaWiki:Cannotdelete-title " to : "Deletion process of page "$1" got partialy blocked by filter no. "x";You can still press back on your browser and repeat/click delete action again. To avoid recurrance of the same situation later you can update filter no. "x" by adding suitable condition 'action == "edit" or you can exclude Sysops in user group by inclusion of syntax: & !("sysop" in user_groups) "
(In reply to comment #9) > Sorry, I took more time to understand the hitch.So what I reported as a main > bug is not a bug. Ok, closing this one then. > "Deletion process of page "$1" got partialy blocked by filter no. "x";You > can > still press back on your browser and repeat/click delete action again. Please file a separate bug if the answer to this question is "no": (In reply to comment #5) > were you shown the warning you set up > for the filter, or not?
