Last modified: 2014-06-12 03:05:07 UTC
I'm requesting that a new namespace be added to test.wikipedia.org so that I can create a draft/mockup for a merge I'm working on drafting up to merge WP:RA into WP:AFC on the English Wikipedia. This namespace would need to allow unconfirmed and unregistered users to edit in it so that the new editors won't be confused by the current methods implemented of forcing the to create drafts and articles in the Project talkspace. Thank you.
Why can't you just create the pages in main namespace, just prefixing the titles with "Concept:"? Or if you need a different namespace, use the Help namespace or something for your tests. As you can see from [[testwiki:Special:AllPages/Help:]], there's not much there.
I fail to see the need for this namespace at all, and I am not happy about no pointer to this request having ever been put on testwiki so that users might comment on this. I would say that this should not be implemented with local community consensus, even if it's testwiki, and that a namespace for one experiment is utterly silly. Put whatever you need in your userspace or mainspace.
(In reply to comment #1) > Why can't you just create the pages in main namespace, just prefixing the > titles with "Concept:"? Don't fake namespaces like that... ever... (In reply to comment #2) > I fail to see the need for this namespace at all, and I am not happy about no > pointer to this request having ever been put on testwiki so that users might > comment on this. This is test wiki.. its designed for testing rubbish, and namespaces are cheap. Does testwiki even have a real community?
(In reply to comment #3) > Does testwiki even have a real community? There are people who watch recent changes, etc, but there is no community as such. I think it's fair to say that testwiki "community" consensus is not relevant. Actually, the more I think about it, I actually like the idea of creating a couple of custom namespaces on testwiki, just for testing purposes (of course): something like 100 => "Portal", 102 => "MoreTest".
I do not think it is fair to say that a proposal to add a namespace can be handled on bugzilla without even notifying the local project on their village pump that this bugzilla discussion is taking place. And yes, local projects have a right to discuss changes made to them, even a testwiki. If a new namespace is needed and designed to house concepts, as I don't think we're talking about a one-off namespace, then the community has to be consulted. It might be a good idea, it might not, but to shy away from even a notification is not okey.
[[testwiki:Wikipedia:Village_pump#Proposal_for_additional_namespaces_for_Test_Wiki]]
The specific reason that Main or Help namespace can't be used for this project is that anonymous IPs need to be able to edit in the namespace (which can not be done currently in any namespace on enwp [which was forcing us to try and work around that technical restriction by having them do it in a talkspace, resulting in creating new editors that were confused as to where to edit and causing a little bit of a mess] and this needs to be as accurate of a demonstration/test setup to what "might" go live on enwp as possible). If it wasn't for that technical restriction, I wouldn't have even asked. As far as putting up some kind of rfc, I wasn't aware the the testwiki worked that way and that wasn't the impression I got when I asked on #wikimedia-tech on IRC. Had I had been told that needed to be done, I would have done it without any complaints. It would seem that this has been started on my behalf at [[testwiki:Wikipedia:Village_pump#Proposal_for_additional_namespaces_for_Test_Wiki]] with a link pointing here, thanks This, that and the other. :)
IPs can create pages in any namespace on testwiki. I don't know what the enwiki setup has to do with this request.
I doubt [[testwiki:Wikipedia:Village pump]] is going to see any responses other than from people following this bug. I didn't even know such a page existed until today. The test Wikipedia already has a number of additional namespaces, so adding a few more shouldn't be an issue. On the other hand, I'm not sure we want to set a precedent that every half-baked idea from the English Wikipedia can determine configuration settings on test Wikipedia. :-) As suggested in comment 4, a few generic custom namespaces might be good to have. If one of them happens to be called "Concept," all right, though it probably makes more sense to mirror the custom namespaces on the English Wikipedia ("Portal," "Book," etc.). Faking a namespace or using user subpages is also a fine approach to take.
(In reply to comment #5) > I do not think it is fair to say that a proposal to add a namespace can be > handled on bugzilla without even notifying the local project on their village > pump that this bugzilla discussion is taking place. And yes, local projects > have a right to discuss changes made to them, even a testwiki. If a new > namespace is needed and designed to house concepts, as I don't think we're > talking about a one-off namespace, then the community has to be consulted. It > might be a good idea, it might not, but to shy away from even a notification > is > not okey. testwiki is not a "project". It's a site, run by the operations staff, for testing purposes. There is no "community", and I am surprised that there was ever a such thing as a "village pump" there. Looking at the history, it's never been edited by anybody remotely involved with the actual administration of the site.
Change 78016 had a related patch set uploaded by TTO: Give testwiki some custom namespaces https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78016
I'm not sure what's the state of this, seeing that the patch has been waiting for approval since August 7, but for what it's worth, see bug 48237 for a request to remove quite a significant number of namespaces on testwiki. I don't have any opinion on this request myself, and am merely pointing out that this bug and bug 48237 are a bit contradictory.
This is a website for the developers of Wikimedia wikis (that means a number of well-known wikis, including those below) to test their latest coding. This site is a "testing area" of sorts, which allows code to be tested in a controlled environment, without damaging other wikis. It's precisely a wiki for developers like the one in this ticket to test out new namespaces, and thus the "community" governing the site is actually MediaWiki.org developers and testers. I fail to see the need for "consensus" of any sort.
Change 78016 merged by jenkins-bot: Give testwiki some custom namespaces https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/78016
Not too sure why this was suddenly merged, but thanks, I guess.
