Wikimedia Bugzilla is closed!

Why?

Is it that much of a problem to give people the choice which skin or language they want to use? We've stewards no fluent in English who may would like to use their language for better understand.

And others like me simply dislike the vector skin and would like to change it.

Setting language is possible with UniversalLanguageSelector.

(Is this a bug of ULS that it doesn't respect the wiki's permission configurations here?)

(In reply to comment #1)
> Why?

Why not? ;-)

In seriousness, this wiki is used by the stewards for some things, so having those customisation options there makes sense.

(In reply to comment #4)
> (In reply to comment #1)
> > Why?
> 
> Why not? ;-)

Just because you can doesn't make it a good idea

(In reply to comment #4)
> In seriousness, this wiki is used by the stewards for some things, so having
> those customisation options there makes sense.

For what?

(In reply to comment #3)
> Setting language is possible with UniversalLanguageSelector.
> 
> (Is this a bug of ULS that it doesn't respect the wiki's permission
> configurations here?)

Possibly, but not really that big of a one...

(In reply to comment #2)
> Is it that much of a problem to give people the choice which skin or language
> they want to use? We've stewards no fluent in English who may would like to
> use
> their language for better understand.
> 
> And others like me simply dislike the vector skin and would like to change
> it.

Sounds like you've got bigger issues

You realise if we "just" give it to one group, every other group will want it too? And what reason do we have to not let them?

(In reply to comment #2)
> And others like me simply dislike the vector skin and would like to change
> it.

ULS works fine

(In reply to comment #3)
> Setting language is possible with UniversalLanguageSelector.
> 
> (Is this a bug of ULS that it doesn't respect the wiki's permission
> configurations here?)

(In reply to comment #6)
> You realise if we "just" give it to one group, every other group will want it
> too?

Okay. Let's take a step back here: why can't users set preferences on login.wikimedia.org?

> And what reason do we have to not let them?

In my opinion, the onus is on the person wanting to restrict a common user behavior (setting pre-user preferences). That is, _you_ need a reason to restrict a user from setting preferences rather than trying to require that _others_ find a reason to be able to set per-user preferences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights shows the "editmyoptions" user right applied to the implicit (all) group.

https://login.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights doesn't show a similar user right applied to any user group. Not sure what's going on.

if ( $wgDBname == 'loginwiki' ) {
	$wgGroupPermissions['*'] = array(
		'read' => true,
		'centralauth-autoaccount' => true,
	);
	$wgGroupPermissions['user'] = array(
		'read' => true,
	);
	$wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed'] = array(
		'read' => true,
	);

	unset( $wgGroupPermissions['import'] );
	unset( $wgGroupPermissions['transwiki'] );

	$wgGroupPermissions['sysop'] = array_merge(
		$wgGroupPermissions['sysop'],
		array(
			'editinterface' => false,
			'editusercss' => false,
			'edituserjs' => false,
		)
	);
}


Anyone would think we made those changes for a reason

I really see no reason why users there, especially those who use that project shouldn't be allowed to decide themselves which language they want to see, or which skin they want to use. There is no reason to restrict that to some randomly chosen setting.

Also, no, I've no "bigger issues". I could also ask why the setting isn't set to Chinese as language and to cologne blue as skin setting. If there is no serious reason to patronize users by taking them the choice, then they should be given the choice to decide what language or skin we want to use.

(In reply to comment #11)
> I really see no reason why users there, especially those who use that project
> shouldn't be allowed to decide themselves which language they want to see, or
> which skin they want to use. There is no reason to restrict that to some
> randomly chosen setting.

It's hardly random

And they can set their language

In my preferences the language is set to English (which I absolutely don't mind, I'd use English anyway!), whoever the drop-down menu to change that is at least for me locked on that page. No idea what other ways there might be to change that, also that does not really matter to me.

So what is the reason why people can not be allowed to change their settings? Why is it set to vector and not to one of the other possibilities?

Thanks for filing this bug, Barras. I filed bug 59701 and bug 59702 related to login.wikimedia.org.

(In reply to comment #10) 
> Anyone would think we made those changes for a reason

Could you elaborate on what that reason is? It would be helpful to know.

Barras, stewards can just add the 'editmyoptions' right into their CA global group and it should work fine.

(In reply to comment #15)
> (In reply to comment #10) 
> > Anyone would think we made those changes for a reason
> 
> Could you elaborate on what that reason is? It would be helpful to know.

For example Site CSS and JS was disabled for a security related reason.

The rest mostly because there's really no reason for 99.9999999% of users to know it even exists, never mind actually visit or try and use it for anything.

There's nothing that can/should be doing at the wiki. It serves exists mostly for technical reasons. If we had allowed editing, we'd would've had a spam of people creating their userpages, personal JS and CSS etc.

https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-mediawiki-config/commit/e61684d0f4b43ab4192e484521f898d900158fb3

https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-mediawiki-config/commit/0381c081072f092e187a907ac538a97da16c0fdb

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46902 has some of the related discussions

(In reply to comment #16)
> Barras, stewards can just add the 'editmyoptions' right into their CA global
> group and it should work fine.

Thanks for the advice, that fixed the issue. Although I think that this should still be enabled, I just gave stewards the right to edit their own settings, which works well.

I understand that page creations etc are not allowed, that really makes sense for the wiki, but I fail to see a reason why people should not be allowed to change their setting on this wiki.

But whatever, I think I won't waste my time with that as the experience sadly shows that it usually turns out totally useless to argue here. So long, and thanks for the advice, Legoktm...

The stewards are the only ones using this wiki, and they now have the ability to customise their preferences (which was the intent of this bug report). Therefore, WONTFIXing.