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Bug 61110 - Grammatical gender user preference is confusing in a gender neutral language like ka
Grammatical gender user preference is confusing in a gender neutral language ...
Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX
Product: MediaWiki
Classification: Unclassified
Internationalization (Other open bugs)
unspecified
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Assigned To: Nobody - You can work on this!
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Reported: 2014-02-09 11:28 UTC by George
Modified: 2014-03-14 14:40 UTC (History)
11 users (show)

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Description George 2014-02-09 11:28:44 UTC
There is no such term as grammatical gender in Georgian language - so the items in preferences look extremely weird. Can we remove them?
Comment 1 Andre Klapper 2014-02-09 15:14:26 UTC
What are steps to reproduce the problem?
Comment 2 Bawolff (Brian Wolff) 2014-02-09 22:30:04 UTC
(In reply to comment #0)
> There is no such term as grammatical gender in Georgian language - so the
> items
> in preferences look extremely weird. Can we remove them?

Users can potentially select a user language other than ka in their preferences, where gender could make a difference. Would there perhaps be a better way of wording the preference instead which would make it less weird? Perhaps make the choices be something along the lines of "default", "male in languages that make the distinction", "female in languages that make the distinction". (Just throwing ideas out there). On the other hand, there's probably not very many users who would select a different language, and those that do may not overly care about the gender feature.

Changing bug component to i18n. Technically this is a user pref, but I think this is much more of an i18n thing

(In reply to comment #1)
> What are steps to reproduce the problem?

Special:Preferences -> User profile tab -> Internationalisation section:

The "How do you prefer to be described?" option doesn't make sense, since (to quote wikipedia) "Georgian has no grammatical gender; even the pronouns are gender-neutral."
Comment 3 Niklas Laxström 2014-03-14 11:07:01 UTC
I'm not convinced we want to make exceptions for some languages. Even if they do not have gender, some other users in same wikis might use language which has a gender.
Comment 4 Nemo 2014-03-14 14:40:06 UTC
(In reply to George from comment #0)
> There is no such term as grammatical gender in Georgian language - so the
> items in preferences look extremely weird. Can we remove them?

Completely gender neutral? Don't you have any lexical gender (like king vs. queen), or genderised pronoun even? I'm sorry the preference is currently confusing but you have the highest freedom in translating it.
If for instance a language happened to have a single word/linguistic construction depending on gender, and that word happened to be something like rabbit vs rabbitess, you could still translate the question as:

If Nemo_bis was an oryctolagus cuniculus, Nemo_bis would be
* whatever
* a rabbitess
* a rabbit

And, sure, the question is highly unlikely hence most people would select the default "whatever". Which is the expected result.

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