Last modified: 2014-06-13 08:50:40 UTC
Per community concensus[1] I would like to ask to enable categories for "Extension:Babel", which is deployed on Czech Wikiversity. We used to have categories by language skill at the times of template:Babel, but with this extension, they disappered so we would like to have them back. [1] https://cs.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiverzita:Diskusn%C3%AD_prostor#Babel
Do you want to use English names for the categories, or Czech ones? We can either use: '0' => 'User %code%-0', or '0' => 'Uživatel %code%-0', and so on.
(In reply to Tomasz W. Kozlowski from comment #1) > Do you want to use English names for the categories, or Czech ones? > > We can either use: > > '0' => 'User %code%-0', > > or > > '0' => 'Uživatel %code%-0', > > and so on. None. The names haven't been set yet.
Please do not unassign me from this bug without first consulting it with me. Thank you!
Re-assigning to Danny after a nice little chat about ways and means.
(In reply to Tomasz W. Kozlowski from comment #1) > Do you want to use English names for the categories, or Czech ones? > > We can either use: > > '0' => 'User %code%-0', > > or > > '0' => 'Uživatel %code%-0', > > and so on. I am sorry for Danny B. Tomasz. I will ask the community and let you know.
(In reply to Juan de Vojníkov from comment #5) > (In reply to Tomasz W. Kozlowski from comment #1) > > Do you want to use English names for the categories, or Czech ones? > > > > We can either use: > > > > '0' => 'User %code%-0', > > > > or > > > > '0' => 'Uživatel %code%-0', > > > > and so on. > > I am sorry for Danny B. Tomasz. I will ask the community and let you know. OK, now I read to the end, it was assigned again to Danny B. But it doesnt change nothing. We will talk about it localy and we will let you know.
What's the state of this bug?
(In reply to Tomasz W. Kozlowski from comment #7) > What's the state of this bug? There is a discussion at the local wiki, about it as I previously said.
So, after the discussion within the community[1], we would prefer '0' => 'Uživatel %code%-0', categories. [1] https://cs.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiverzita:Diskusn%C3%AD_prostor#Koment.C3.A1.C5.99e_.28Babel.29
There is no consensus on such naming. Neither on any other. Besides that, there are even some reservations against having those categories at all. Until there will be consensus, this will remain open.
(In reply to Danny B. from comment #10) Besides that, > there are even some reservations against having those categories at all. Of course, they are. But the consensus, was to set up them. Anyway, lets continue in cs.wv.
Seems just be a patch now. Consensus exists for babel and looking at it, Czech names. I do note the assignee of the bug opposes the enabling of babel categories (from what I can see).
(In reply to John F. Lewis from comment #13) > Seems just be a patch now. Consensus exists for babel and looking at it, > Czech names. I do note the assignee of the bug opposes the enabling of babel > categories (from what I can see). Nope, you are actually not correct. I am actually neutral in enabling. Both sides have reasonable arguments. I just noted here for the record, that there are objections and reservations to enabling. Sorry if I made you confused by possibly ambiguous wording. Anyway, the only consensus there is that the names should be in Czech. However, there is no consensus on the format of them, hence why it is not closed yet.
>I am actually neutral in enabling.... I just noted here for the record, that there are objections and reservations to enabling. No, you are not neutral. Thats why I am not happy Tomasz W. Kozlowski re-assign this bug to you. You want to push your way to do this, thats why you are talking about objections. JAn Dudik on cs.wv wrote: "A pokud přesto ty kategorie chcete, nechte si zavést takový název, který bude vyhovovat všem stranám - vám na názvu až tak nezáleží, jen když kategorie budou, a pro Dannyho účely budou v jím preferovaném tvaru Uživatelé:xx-1. JAn Dudík (diskuse) 22. 5. 2014, 19:33 (UTC)" ENGLISH: "If you want those categories anyway, ask for the name, which will be acceptible for all parties - in fact you dont mind, how it will be called, you only need it, and format "Uživatelé:xx-1" will be prefered by Danny B. and usefull for his purpose." (btw, do feel that sense of manipulation from this comment?) So basically Danny B. should not be assignee of this bug, because he is here in the "conflict of interest". ---- Personally I dont mind, how it will be called. The problem is how people proposing the version "Uživatelé:xx-1" push it. They come to the discussion late and they are not big contributors to the project. *user:JAn Dudík **Proposal: against categories, but if so, than "Uživatelé:xx-1" **Agrument: Danny B. needs it *user:Milda: **Proposal: against categories, but if so, than "Uživatelé:vlastnost" **Argument: its natural and its used for more than 10 years on WMF projects **Milda things that we want categories for foreigners, but its not correct, he probably havent red well the supporting votes. Btw, >10 years on which projects? *user:Danny B.: **Proposal: strong oppose, but if so, "Uživatelé:vlastnost" **Argument: no argument *user:Tchoř: **Proposal: dont mind, but if so, "Uživatelé:vlastnost" **Argument: the argument of user:Milda is good So as it was blocked here by Danny B., I think we have to discuss localy about the next steps and it will take some time.
(In reply to Juan de Vojníkov from comment #15) > >I am actually neutral in enabling.... I just noted here for the record, that there are objections and reservations to enabling. > > No, you are not neutral. Thats why I am not happy Tomasz W. Kozlowski > re-assign this bug to you. You want to push your way to do this, thats why > you are talking about objections. There *are* actually objections: https://cs.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiverzita:Diskusn%C3%AD_prostor&diff=49051&oldid=48979 https://cs.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiverzita:Diskusn%C3%AD_prostor&diff=48976&oldid=48975 (and I don't count those stated elsewhere by users who rejected to interfere in discussions with you) And no, I don't want to push it any particular way, but just the consensus one. And that hasn't been reached yet. > Personally I dont mind, how it will be called. This is the (new) statement you should actually put on the community discussion page for the record, not here. Please cite people accurately, completely and without changing the meaning of their words or even the words themselves which gives readers totally different view on the situation than the reality actually is. Feel free to use Google translate for that. Thank you. > So as it was blocked here by Danny B., I think we have to discuss localy > about the next steps and it will take some time. Nothing is blocked, furthermore not by me. We are simply waiting for the consensus on the naming, which - according to your new statement above - seems to be closer now, so again, please state it for the record on the community discussion page. Thank you.
