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Bug 66452 - VisualEditor: Reconsider list functions' application and clearing
VisualEditor: Reconsider list functions' application and clearing
Status: ASSIGNED
Product: VisualEditor
Classification: Unclassified
Editing Tools (Other open bugs)
unspecified
All All
: Low enhancement
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Assigned To: Editing team bugs – take if you're interested!
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Reported: 2014-06-10 21:02 UTC by Jared Zimmerman (WMF)
Modified: 2014-06-26 01:22 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Description Jared Zimmerman (WMF) 2014-06-10 21:02:15 UTC
Highlighting entire paragraphs and applying or removing list formatting should consistently apply or remove formatting, currently some items are ignored.
Comment 1 James Forrester 2014-06-26 00:35:19 UTC
(In reply to Jared Zimmerman (WMF) from comment #0)
> Highlighting entire paragraphs and applying or removing list formatting
> should consistently apply or remove formatting, currently some items are
> ignored.

Which items?
Comment 2 Jared Zimmerman (WMF) 2014-06-26 00:38:51 UTC
Nested list items…

Shouldn't clear formatting clear nested list items styles as well? That would be my expectation.
Comment 3 James Forrester 2014-06-26 00:54:45 UTC
(In reply to Jared Zimmerman (WMF) from comment #2)
> Nested list items…
> 
> Shouldn't clear formatting clear nested list items styles as well? That
> would be my expectation.

No. Lists, tables, blockquotes, headers, preformatted etc. are all considered "structural" changes rather than "styles".

Right now the selection-action behaviour for links is modelled after a number of different editors with some insanely complex edge-cases (e.g. applying "make numbered list" to a selection covering some numbered list items, some paragraphs, some nested bullet list sub-items, and some partials of the above).
Comment 4 Jared Zimmerman (WMF) 2014-06-26 01:17:17 UTC
I'd love for us to do a set of user tests around this. Just because word/gdocs/openoffice does something doesn't mean it is the correct thing to do. Not saying we got it wrong, but I think hearing specific feedback on this from users might be useful. 

I agree that a table or a link isn't "formatting" in this sense, but lists don't fit as neatly into that category for me, I'd love to hear from users.
Comment 5 Jared Zimmerman (WMF) 2014-06-26 01:18:55 UTC
@abbey, can you create a card in the backlog to help the VE team validate some of the assumptions around formatting behavior best practices please.
Comment 6 James Forrester 2014-06-26 01:22:43 UTC
(In reply to Jared Zimmerman (WMF) from comment #4)
> I'd love for us to do a set of user tests around this. Just because
> word/gdocs/openoffice does something doesn't mean it is the correct thing to
> do. Not saying we got it wrong, but I think hearing specific feedback on
> this from users might be useful. 

Absolutely. Just flagging that we've already spent many dozens of hours going back and forth about this with users and designers. It's not remotely a green field. :-)

> I agree that a table or a link isn't "formatting" in this sense, but lists
> don't fit as neatly into that category for me, I'd love to hear from users.

Definitely.

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