Last modified: 2014-07-16 22:32:52 UTC
At the moment one of the license options in Upload Wizard is "The copyright has definitely expired in the USA" with 2 suboptions: 1) "First published in the United States before 1923" which probably adds {{PD-1923}} (I did not try it yet) 2) "Faithful reproduction of a painting that is in the public domain" which adds {{PD-Art}} Those 2 options are way too simplistic and have several issues: 1) if someone asserts that work was "First published in the United States before 1923" than we should always ask uploader to reference the publication 2) Option 2 adds {{PD-Art}} which we are trying to discourage as too vague. A preferred license would be {{PD-Art|PD-old-100}}, {{PD-Art|PD-old-100-1923}}, or {{PD-Art|PD-old-auto-1923|deathyear=19XX}} 3) Also using word "painting" seems like is too narrow, since it exclude drawings , etchings, etc. I would like to propose to replace second option with: 1) "Faithful reproduction of a two-dimensional work of art that is in the public domain, because the artist died more than 100 years ago and work was published before 1923" which would add {{PD-Art|PD-old-100-1923}} 2) "Faithful reproduction of a two-dimensional work of art that is in the public domain, because the artist died more than 100 years ago" which would add {{PD-Art|PD-old-100}} (technically such works might still not be in public domain n the US, but in most cases they would be fine) 2) "Faithful reproduction of a two-dimensional work of art that is in the public domain, because the artist died more than 70 years ago and work was published before 1923" which would than ask for the date of death and add {{PD-Art|PD-old-auto-1923|deathyear=19XX}} We could also have more helpful links explaining various terms, like word "Publish" should link to https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Publication
Options 1 and 2 above seem the same, but yes, more options are needed. I would suggest : 1. "Faithful reproduction of a two-dimensional work of art that is in the public domain, because the artist died more than 100 years ago" which would add {{PD-Art|PD-old-100}}. 2. "Faithful reproduction of a two-dimensional work of art that is in the public domain, because the artist died more than 70 years ago, and work was published before 1923" which would add {{PD-Art|PD-old-70-1923}}. These cover more cases, and reduce complexity for non-experts.
... and before anyone is going to implement anything, we should agree where it should go. 1) MarkTraceur thinks that it is a config for commons and we should probably maintain all system messages ourselves 2) as an alternative, MarkTraceur suggests an Extension:Licenses -- this could be useful to VE, MV, even Core, UpWiz and all kind of other uplaoders. 3) Multichill believes that messages should go into UploadWizard's i18n and config into operations-mediawiki-config.
4) I believe messages should go to WikimediaMessages and config into operations-mediawiki-config but I also like the idea of a structured license collection.
(In reply to Yann Forget from comment #1) >Options 1 and 2 above seem the same, but yes, more options are needed. Option 1 adds {{PD-Art|PD-old-100-1923}} and option 2 {{PD-Art|PD-old-100}}. Option 1 is preferable to option 2 because legal situation in US is more clear. > 2. "Faithful reproduction of a two-dimensional work of art that is in the > public domain, because the artist died more than 70 years ago, and work was > published before 1923" which would add {{PD-Art|PD-old-70-1923}}. > > These cover more cases, and reduce complexity for non-experts. {{PD-Art|PD-old-auto-1923|deathyear=19XX}} is much more preferable than {{PD-Art|PD-old-70-1923}}. I see a lot of images using {{PD-old}} or {{PD-old-70}} where image is old and most likely in PD but author is not known. I would like to use those templates only for known artists with known date of death.
(In reply to Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia from comment #2) > ... and before anyone is going to implement anything, we should agree where > it should go. Where do they go right now?
(In reply to Jarek Tuszynski from comment #5) > Where do they go right now? There *are* a couple of licenses in Extension:UploadWizard
(In reply to Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia from comment #2) > ... and before anyone is going to implement anything, we should agree where > it should go. > > 1) MarkTraceur thinks that it is a config for commons and we should probably > maintain all system messages ourselves > 2) as an alternative, MarkTraceur suggests an Extension:Licenses -- this > could be useful to VE, MV, even Core, UpWiz and all kind of other uplaoders. > 3) Multichill believes that messages should go into UploadWizard's i18n and > config into operations-mediawiki-config. Keep in mind that this information will probably end up in Wikidata once it is integrated into Commons, and there will be some sort of convenience interface for getting it in a simple way. For the interim period, an extension which provides the information (and will later provide a nice interface to the Wikibase data) is a good way to handle this IMO. (Extension:StructuredMediaData?) See https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/multimedia/cards/692 for more information about the structured data plans.
