Last modified: 2014-09-16 23:57:43 UTC
Hello all, the German-speaking Wikipedia decided in [1] that the MediaViewer should be opt-in instead of opt-out for logged-in- and anonymous-users. To make it clear: We do NOT demand a complete deactivation of the MediaViewer, everybody who is willing to help to improve the MediaViewer should be able to do it. We just request to change the default from has-to-opt-out to can-opt-in. Because the WMF-guys told us that most WMF-techs are away at the moment, the dewp-community is OK with giving you time until 16. A u g u s t 2014 to make the change. Thanks in advantage :-). Sincerely, DaB. [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Medienbetrachter#Ich_bin_f.C3.BCr_die_Umsetzung_des_Vorschlags
Thanks for filing this bug. On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, I have posted a response to the German Wikipedia poll about Media Viewer, on this talk page: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Meinungsbilder/Medienbetrachter#Antwort_zur_Abstimmung_der_deutschsprachigen_Wikipedia_zum_Medienbetrachter Consistent with that response, we will not disable Media Viewer by default for users on the German Wikipedia. While we understand that this decision is not what some voting editors had hoped for, we wish to express our deepest appreciation to all of you who have contributed to this poll, whether you voted for or against disabling Media Viewer. Your perspective matters to us and challenges us to do the best work possible. Sincerely, Fabrice Florin, on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation
@Fabrice Florin (on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation). I request you to reevaluate your decision. Thanks in advance. See: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Diskussion:Common.js#Abschalten_MV
According to the community (and I have seen no contradiction from other quarters) this extension is currently breaking attribution. Therefore I have escalated importance to "Highest", and reopened the bug.
(In reply to Rich Farmbrough from comment #3) > According to the community Link?
When has this become about "all projects"? Please open a separate bug for separate things. The priority and status fields reflect the priority and status as decided by the project's manager – in this case, Fabrice. I have restored the previous priority, status and summary.
(In reply to Rich Farmbrough from comment #3) > According to the community (and I have seen no contradiction from other > quarters) this extension is currently breaking attribution. In addition to what comment 5 said about separate bug for separate things like a request for all projects (Note, some projects did specifically opt in to media viewer), please also file a separate bug, with examples, of MediaViewer breaking attribution.
Indeed, please file separate bugs for issues, or point to them here. If there is no machine-readable information, MV links to the license/attribution info using a "view license" link -- which has been confirmed by legal to be a valid approach. If there is machine-readable information, MV displays license/attribution info inline. This generally works pretty well and is the only sensible approach. Issues are most common with locally uploaded files that may not yet have been modified to support machine-readability. Embed behavior could be improved a little, just filed bug 69618 for that.
It has always been a community norm that one click to get to attribution is acceptable. In the cases where no attribution is available to the Media Viewer this behaviour is now broken, and as the usability study shows, attribution is hard to find for most people. This could be easily fixed by checking if the attribution info is available before invoking media viewer, and if not going to the old system. If someone thinks I should open separate bugs for every project, they need to find a less obviously irrational objection. Clearly breaking attribution is a software wide issue, certainly applying to any sites that use images from Commons. As far as legal are concerned, I raise this is not a legal matter, but as a matter of courtesy to donors of images. However CCBYSA3.0 unported says " at a minimum such credit will appear, if a credit for all contributing authors of the Adaptation or Collection appears, then as part of these credits and in a manner at least as prominent as the credits for the other contributing authors." Since the credit for text authors is one-click away (history tab) it would seem that the credit for artists should also be one-click away, not hidden under options that we know people cannot find.
> > If someone thinks I should open separate bugs for every project, they need > to find a less obviously irrational objection. Clearly breaking attribution > is a software wide issue, certainly applying to any sites that use images > from Commons. Nobody ever said that. People said that you shouldnt hijack existing bugs for new things. If you wanted to make a request that media viewer be disabled everywhere, file a single new bug (this one is about dewiki only). If you have a complaint about how media viewer works, please file bugs for each separate issue you are encountering. > As far as legal are concerned, I raise this is not a legal matter, but as a > matter of courtesy to donors of images. > > However CCBYSA3.0 unported says > " at a minimum such credit will appear, if a credit for all contributing > authors of the Adaptation or Collection appears, then as part of these > credits and in a manner at least as prominent as the credits for the other > contributing authors." > > Since the credit for text authors is one-click away (history tab) it would > seem that the credit for artists should also be one-click away, not hidden > under options that we know people cannot find. Discussions about legal implications of attribution should be taken to either a mailing list or talk page. Bugzilla is for keeping track of requests, not for long discussions about features ----- Reclosing bug as WONTFIX....because i assume status change was accidental.
Google Translation of the German to English: Fabrice Florin's post on behalf of the WMF: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWikipedia_Diskussion%3AMeinungsbilder%2FMedienbetrachter%23Antwort_zur_Abstimmung_der_deutschsprachigen_Wikipedia_zum_Medienbetrachter&edit-text= Steinsplitter's request for reevaluation: For some reason, g can't/won't translate it: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMediaWiki_Diskussion%3ACommon.js%23Abschalten_MV (OT: Media viewer doesn't work and I see no way to disable the media viewer for my own use; I see this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Media_Viewer_(displaying_File-Apple_Pay_promotional_hero.jpg).png ! Yes, I'll separate bug it...)
Steinsplitter's request for reevaluation: For some reason, g will translate it if I remove the s from https: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMediaWiki_Diskussion%3ACommon.js%23Abschalten_MV&anno=2 Apologies for the bug spam.